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• Please, people need to be aware of what is going on in China... skinning animals alive for their fur etc. The HSUS has been trying to get the word out. So, lets not minimalize the terrible killing of pets for fur, by bringing up PETA's problems. I, for one, will never vacation in country that continues this practice.

  By  paula, at 7:43 AM, October 09, 2005  

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• Paula, I think you're not seeing the bigger picture. In China, they EAT dogs and cats. But PETA is making it sound like they don't, and that they're just killing them for the fur only.
  
  In the USA, we eat cattle. But we also skin them and use it to make leather goods.
  
  What makes us better than the Chinese?

  By  Steve, at 10:06 AM, October 09, 2005  

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• I think that PETA can be very extreme in it's beliefs... that their way is the only way. Does it hurt my heart to think of dogs being used in that way, sure... but I've seen india folks gag when they realized that there was cow in their food. I agree with Steve... there is a bigger picture here.
  
  By the way, why is no one defending the live critters that are being eaten on Fear Factor? Maybe becuase they aren't fuzzy and cute!? I for one find that MORE offensive.

  By  Targ: Drool Master, at 9:27 AM, October 10, 2005  

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• The bigger picture... have you even thought of becoming a Vegetarian??

  By  paula, at 1:01 PM, October 10, 2005  

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• First, I agree tha PETA is too extreme, I'm glad I'm not the only animal lover who thinks so.
  As for this dog-fur business. The difference between a panda and a domestic dog is that a panda is, will always be, a wild animal but domestic dogs are just that - domestic. We humans bred them over the last century or so to be domestic for our own satisfaction so we should honour them as domestic animals.

  By  Anonymous, at 1:40 PM, October 11, 2005  

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• In regards to the above comment, I'll point out that Pandas are endangered species, and most live in captivity. And I'll argue that the Chinese have selectively bred the Pandas to weed out those with undesirable traits.

  By  Steve, at 3:28 PM, October 11, 2005  

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• how can you obsses over peta? this has to do with something bigger than that. to skin an animal alive is totally inhumane, no matter where you're from. of coarse they're going to have a different outlook on different animals, but they are living breathing creatures! how would you feel if the roles were flipped and you were to be skinned alive! i doubt that you'd look at it the same way.

  By  Anonymous, at 9:48 AM, October 20, 2005  

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• "If you think about it, both the Chinese fur trade and PETA are doing the same thing, killing off dogs and cats, and reducing their populations."
  
  WHAT?!?! Go to the JCruel website and watch the video of animals being skinned ALIVE. Look into their eyes and see if you still think that PETA and the Chinese fur industry are doing the same thing! See if you still think it's acceptable to even REMOTELY compare that to something like euthanasia.

  By  Anonymous, at 12:28 AM, October 25, 2005  

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• See if you still think it's acceptable to even REMOTELY compare that to something like euthanasia.
  
  Ok I get it now, PETA does a kinder, gentler, form of dog killing. Makes me feel much better.

  By  Steve, at 1:00 AM, October 25, 2005  

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• You're missing the forest for the trees, Steve and it's a bit frightening that this needs to be pointed out- attempts at killing humanely (in theory) is a totally different thing than killing done in a method that inflicts long periods of extreme pain, and terror- crossing the line into torture. I'm not condoning any killing, but it's important to recognise the difference between the two and our responsibility to our own part in putting a stop to torturous methods.

  By  Anonymous, at 8:50 AM, November 09, 2005  

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• Steve, what makes us "better" than the Chinese in this matter is that we have laws in place that at the very least seek to stop this kind of animal abuse. When a person motivated by money can skin a dog or cat alive while they writhe and kick and scream, or a family can raise cats only to kill them for fur is when I have absolutely no problem calling them inferior. There is a great deal of difference between humane euthanization and stepping on an animals throat to stop it from moving so you can get a clean cut on their skin.

  By  Anonymous, at 9:04 AM, November 09, 2005  

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• There s nothing wrong with the Chinese killing cats and dogs for fur. The problem is HOW they are killed. There should be laws against these animals being alive while it is happening, but since we are talking about a communist state that has little regard for humans, why should we be shocked that they engage in these practices?

  By  Anonymous, at 8:31 AM, November 16, 2005  

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• It's horrible to think that some people are so unaffected to animals being brutaly killed.

  By  Anonymous, at 5:48 PM, November 20, 2005  

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• i think you should stop killing dogs and cats for fur. you should be feel sorry. it is stupid to kill them for fur

  By  sa, at 9:28 AM, November 21, 2005  

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• what can i say, i have never been more proud of being a vegetarian! there is nothign in this world that disgusts me more than animal brutality. who are we to think we are the centre of the universe that higher animals (yes, higher animals: we are the lower ones) need to be slaughtered so we can be fed and clothed as though there were not other means of being fed and clothed.
  
  that is it - i am boycotting all chinese products!

  By  handan, at 3:32 PM, November 28, 2005  

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• What kind of idiot would skin animals alive for their fur etc? You want to skin it after it's lifeless and still. A sharp knife on a live moving animal will result in holes and lower the value of the pelt.
  
  Paula skinning blacks alive is more believable.

  By  Anonymous, at 3:44 PM, November 28, 2005  

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• Even though I find it appalling that animals are being skinned alive for their fur (if that is the case, it might only be one factory out of hundreds, we don't know for sure) there is little other countries can do about it. Think about it, the Chinese government will hate us if we interfere with anything over there. It's all politics people. They make money off of this, of course they're not going to stop. It's like us when we make landmines or other harmful weapons (yes, we still manufacture mines, we've disregarded the fact that they kill people for up to fifty years later). People disagree about it but we make money off of them. We're not stopping anytime soon.
  
  Okay, for you vegetarians out there: I respect that you don't eat meat. Don't try to force it on other people though. I would not like being a vegetarian, I like to eat meat too much (why do you think we have sharp canine teeth?). I've seen several cute animals that end up on my plate (lamb is good) but that's it, they were raised for meat and everything is being used off of these animals. There is no real waste of material. Sure, in some countries, they are killed cruelly but in the U.S., they are treated as humanely as possible. They are dead before they reach the skinning part, no matter what PETA says. It's kind of hard to be alive when you have no blood.
  
  Also, yes, let's boycott all Chinese products! Oops, that's about 60-80% of the items in the U.S., including most rice, clothes, toys, wooden items, etc. That's not going to work out very well.
  
  I do agree with the comment above mine (the skinning alive part, that is). It's too hard to skin an animal alive. They should adopt the roller method the Americans use, much much easier than holding something alive down and trying to skin it. The skin just rolls right off.

  By  RJ, at 4:50 AM, November 29, 2005  

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• You should be boycotting Chinese products anyway, what good product comes out of china? That stuffed animal you won at the carnival?
  Ugh, im sorry to see all the people who don't care in this thread.

  By  Anonymous, at 10:55 AM, November 29, 2005  

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• To the above commenter, the computer you're typing on likely came from China. If not, assembled in China, it was assembled using Chinese parts.

  By  Steve, at 11:26 AM, November 29, 2005  

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• You won't like Wal-Mart then if you want to ban all items from China. Wal-Mart employs people in China to make its clothes and othhr accessories. My laptop (Toshiba) says it is made in China. Go ban Microsoft for supporting Chinese products. My printer (Canon) is made in Thailand. They could possibly practice the same thing with animals. The items I have from SeaWorld are made in China. Beanie Babies are made in China. It's getting a little harder to ban all Chinese products. Why? Because we have child and hour labour laws. China does not (or it has child labour laws, I'm not sure). The Chinese who work in the factory earn about $3-5 a day while an American has a minimum wage of $8-9 an hour. See the difference? That's why we have so much items from China, it's cheaper.
  
  Thing is, I do care what is happening to the dogs and cats in China. It's just that most countries hate the U.S. and by imposing our views on another country looks just wrong. It's like forcing someone to change to your views by threats. Let the Chinese deal with their problems and let us deal with ours. Adopt animals from China, wait the forty to sixty day quarantine for each (if they are allowed now with the bird flu going around), and then we can talk.
  
  Besides, if these animals are being used for food for people or animals to eat, it would be improper to euthanize them, even if the factory/ies had the money to do so. The chemical in the serum could harm or kill a human or another animal when they eat it. That's why cows and other food animals are not euthanized. They could get sued for making people sick or dying.
  
  I've actually always wondered: do vegetarians wear wool or have down feathered items? I'm just curious. They don't harm the animal when they pick up the down or shear the wool. It's actually best to shear wool off of sheep.
  
  And no one still cares that we make landmines that kill thousands of people and animals per year yet there is a treaty for stopping landmine production that several countries have signed but we haven't? This is a serious case. Service dogs and people, mostly children, give their lives every year to find these monsters or by just playing in their backyard and no one cares that we manufacture these still?

  By  RJ, at 6:58 PM, November 29, 2005  

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• I have only the highest respect for animals. I have six dogs, three cats, birds ect. Needless to say, animals contribute greatly to my life. I came across the PETA video about fur farms and have had nightmares since. We’re talking about beautiful, live animals that are being mercilessly killed so that people can look nice and be warm in the winter. Even if we forget about the reasons that these terrible fur farms exists you cannot deny the horrific manner in which they kill these animals. It is unconscionable that a human being could treat any living thing in this manner let along a helpless animal. It doesn’t matter what country your talking about, there is a moral standard that is being broken here and no one want to do anything about it. It doesn’t matter that it is a huge industry and it doesn’t matter that there is a high demand for fur, it is so wrong on so many levels.
  Concerning the cat and dog issue. Imagine your dog goes missing one day and you never see it again. Imagine how you would feel if you knew that it was going to be anally electrocuted and skinned. You don’t have to be American to see the problem with that. Who do we think we are? Who is to say that we have the right to allow such terrible behavior to go on? I was shocked to learn that most of the people I knew know about this and don’t care. It makes me sick.

  By  Gabriella, at 5:35 PM, November 30, 2005  

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• Steve, did you actually see the PETA video. I don't care what country it is. The point you missed were: (1) Chinese Raccoon Dogs moving, breathing with no skin and legs cut off; and (2) Chinese Raccoon Dogs being skinned while a man held them up in the air. Seems pretty simple to me. I guess it was over your head because you would rather say bad things about PETA. Keep your dumb comments to yourself.

  By  Anonymous, at 7:39 PM, November 30, 2005  

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• YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND IDIOT. There is completely a difference between putting animals to sleep--animals who would otherwise be roaming the streets, diseased, hurting or starving, or else being used in evil lab experiments--and BOILING CATS ALIVE FOR FASHION'S SAKE. Anyone who does this should burn in hell.

  By  Jody Jones, at 9:02 PM, November 30, 2005  

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• SCREW THE CHINESE. Screw anyone who would do this to an animal. Personally, I hope they all fry. the people I mean.

  By  Anonymous, at 9:03 PM, November 30, 2005  

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• RJ
  we do not have sharp canine teeth. cats have sharp canine teeth. Dogs, raccoons, weasels, all have sharp canine teeth. Ours are rather flat, more similar to a horse's or a cow's teeth than a carnivore's.
  Plus, the ability to make a choice with our diets, rather than going by pure instinct, is one of the things that makes us human. Chosing not to torment and kill other animals, because it is not necessary, is what makes us humane.
  Saying I don't murder animals, but its okay if you do is exactly equavalent to saying I won't beat my kids, but its okay if you do. Both situations involve unneccessary brutality toward innocents. Both are wrong.
  Skinning an animal alive is inhumane and wrong. Period.
  Stop buying the product, and the producer won't make it anymore.

  By  Anonymous, at 12:04 AM, December 01, 2005  

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• First, yes, this is an inhumane act. Yes, the animal should be dead before they skin it (though as I said, this could be one factory in hundreds that leaves them alive). Yes, it should be stopped. But how in the world are you going to enforce this "no Chinese products" when America buys nearly everything from China? We don't buy dog fur or cat fur from China, other people do. I personally don't wear fur. The thing is we have our own problems that need to be addressed before we should be worried about other countries (except for Iraq at the moment since we conveinently forgot about it). We have a giant debt, we make landmines and other harmful weapons, our public education system sucks (they won't give textbooks to schools that need them, we're having a fight on evolution and intelligent design), and we have a "war" going on. We don't need to be banning about 60-80% of our products right now. You can do it all fine and dandy. But America as a whole doesn't need to at this moment. Besides, that will most likely lead to another war for animal rights and people rights and we'll be back in the same situation: public education sucks, we have a giant debt, we make landmines and other harmful weapons, and we will have a "war" going on. And we see how well people respond to war.
  
  Anyways, animal rights needs to be dealing with the "pit bull" issue, not something in another country. We're about to kill innocent dogs in our own country because of a few bad apples. Get on the ball people and get your legislature to make tougher fines on loose animals and harsher punishments for an owner's dog attacking something. It needs to be dealt with now before our entire country is "pit bull free."
  
  Our teeth were sharper in the day. We just never used them for hunting. Horses' canine teeth are for protection. What are ours for? We can't effectively bite anything attacking us. We don't need them for vegetable material. They're for meat then. Besides, chimps and baboons will eat meat that they catch.
  
  Okay, now I wasn't going to say this but do you know what will happen if everyone in America stopped eating meat and hunting and turned all livestock animals free or sold them to other countries to the point where they don't want them anymore (what's the use of having 10,000 sheep if they just waste money and land for no reason)? Deer overpopulate, starve, die. Animals that eat deer overpopulate, starve, move to other animals like cats and dogs. Chickens and turkeys who can barely walk are offed by feral dogs, cats, or other predators. Cows, sheep, and goats destroy forest land and are offed by predators. Horses, actually, horses are better off. But they get moved and end up right back in human hands for vegetable fields. Pigs turn feral and start attacking us (some get to about 500 lbs). Cats and dogs will forever roam as we cannot spay or neuter them now. That would be against our new code of causing unnecessary pain on an animal that has a right to reproduce. Birds in captivity will be let to roam and they'll just sit around still since they can't fly. More snakes will be released into the wild that don't belong there like pythons and boas. They'll start attacking alligators. You can say that we've caused this on ourselves but we couldn't help it back when we needed these animals for food and companionship. So now, they need us to survive, no matter what other people think. Only pigs and horses will maybe survive as they can turn feral in a matter of weeks (cats and dogs don't count, they'll still be in the city). We'll dig a bigger hole in our debt. Good luck on that.

  By  RJ, at 4:44 AM, December 01, 2005  

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• I will agree that making a claim to boycott all products made in China is somewhat ludicrous. Just about everything we use in our daily lives has been created in this country.
  
  If one feels passionately about this matter, then he/she must simply decide to stay away from purchasing fur trimmed items made in China. If a person feels this passionate about it, then he/she must also educate others in America about what is going on with the dog and cat fur trade. Education is your strongest defense in this course.
  
  Although America has banned any and all imports of cat/dog fur items, Ebay is alive and well with Hong Kong Sellers putting fur trimmed items up for auction daily. Also, there is a loop hole with this ban (surprise!) garments or objects worth less than $150 do not have to label the types of fur used to make them.
  
  The most anyone can do is share this information with anyone and everyone 24/7. The ball is in their court from this point on. Whether they choose to bypass fur trimmed objects or not is a decision they must make on their own. Depending on their choice, they either become a person unwilling to support these sensless killings or a person who thinks it's OK to skin domestic animals while they're still alive in order to wear a mantal of fur around their necks.

  By  Anonymous, at 8:20 PM, December 02, 2005  

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• What makes us betetr is we do not tocher these animals, we feed and stuff our caddle full and the chines do not eat the animals they de-fur, they say it un suitable. Also peta puts the aniamls they rescue down, because the animals would not be suitable for a home, especailly for all the trama they went through. Being shoved in crates thrown off a truck hitting the ground hard, compact with animals and not being able to move. Slow pain death. The animals will see their comrades die, and its like with the people in ww2 or vietnam... some are unfit for society they come back crazy seeing a lot of asians thinking they are back in veitnam or ww2 or so... happened to my uncle.... My point is, we are different, we do not tocher cats and dogs, noor their pandas!

  By  Kitty.J, at 7:23 AM, December 13, 2005  

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• What makes us betetr is we do not tocher these animals, we feed and stuff our caddle full and the chines do not eat the animals they de-fur, they say it un suitable. Also peta puts the aniamls they rescue down, because the animals would not be suitable for a home, especailly for all the trama they went through. Being shoved in crates thrown off a truck hitting the ground hard, compact with animals and not being able to move. Slow pain death. The animals will see their comrades die, and its like with the people in ww2 or vietnam... some are unfit for society they come back crazy seeing a lot of asians thinking they are back in veitnam or ww2 or so... happened to my uncle.... My point is, we do not torcher cats and dogs, or their pandas!

  By  Kitty.J, at 7:23 AM, December 13, 2005  

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• What makes us betetr is we do not tocher these animals, we feed and stuff our caddle full and the chines do not eat the animals they de-fur, they say it un suitable. Also peta puts the aniamls they rescue down, because the animals would not be suitable for a home, especailly for all the trama they went through. Being shoved in crates thrown off a truck hitting the ground hard, compact with animals and not being able to move. Slow pain death. The animals will see their comrades die, and its like with the people in ww2 or vietnam... some are unfit for society they come back crazy seeing a lot of asians thinking they are back in veitnam or ww2 or so... happened to my uncle....

  By  Kitty.J, at 7:24 AM, December 13, 2005  

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• Sorry for all the typose and posts i made, i am new and i saw this topic on tv, so i decided to research on the matter.

  By  Kitty.J, at 7:24 AM, December 13, 2005  

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• I am outraged by this whole topic your supporting Steve. Sometimes freedom of speech can allow for feelings of violence.That is what I feel when I read your article. Perhaps you would feel different if you were skinned alive for your skin to be used, maybe within the 20 min your still alive you will be able to let us know all about your feelings to justify how humane it might be to have ALL living things be treated this way during this very horrific death your experiencing. Your views are twisted you need to seek help. God have the mercy on those poor animals!

  By  Anonymous, at 9:50 AM, December 13, 2005  

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• If it is the slaughtering practice one objects to, please focus on that. Why advocate banning the trade and take people's livelyhood away when the real solution is better living condition and humane end of life for the animal? Reason didn't advocate banning of beef trade, why should this be any different?
  
  Many posters are right that vegetarianism is the only solution.
  
  Although I understand the position on dog and cat fur trade, I feel it is unfair to label all dogs and cats in this world as "companion animals". The fact they may be "domesticated" does not make them "pets", only in our narrow, self-righteous minds.
  
  Why can't dogs and cats be raised for meat and skin, like cattle? As I recall cows are Gods to the Hindus in many parts of this world, including Hindus in America - so how do we rationalize our slaughtering of other people's God, but not other's slaughtering of dogs and cats that may not be "companion animal" to them?
  
  The argument that all dogs and cats are "companion animals/furry cute loved beings" im my opinion is a dishonest argument that not only obfuscate the real issue, but such emotional appeal also unnecessarily foster mistaken stereotype, gross generalization of asian society and culture.
  
  Univerally, horses are noble animals who labor and toil as equal of men. Yet America industriously slaughters horses and exports horse meat to Europe to satisfy European's ritualistic consumption originated from the demonic Pagan religion. In my opinion this is a striking comparison to our condemnation of others exporting dog and cat fur - at our demand and thirst for such products.

  By  Anonymous, at 5:34 PM, December 13, 2005  

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• I don't think PETA skins animals that are still alive! At lest they try to find homes and help those in need...China needs to outlaw their barbaric practices of fur trading...it is totally sickening to the human eye!

  By  Anonymous, at 8:18 AM, December 20, 2005  

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• After watching the video of a poor raccoon dog getting stepped on, beaten,choked then skinned alive,laying in a pile still trying to fight for its life.. I literally wanted to vomit and could not get the image out of my mind. I don't care what their culture is and yes, America has its problems too..but this was just sick and pure torture...these are innocent animals who don't have a chance in hell against these barbarians...I hope God punishes them one day! Or Buddha what the hell ever!

  By  Anonymous, at 5:23 PM, December 20, 2005  

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• At least the animals aren't just being killed to be dead. "Pit bulls" are being slaughtered throughout Colorado just because they were born a certain breed of dog. There is no science here, there is nothing being used off of the "pit bull." This is inhumane in its own way and basically just has "racism" painted across its face in big, red letters. Go fight that law right now.
  
  How would everyone becoming vegetarians help anything? The post above I made is proof enough that it won't work, at least not now. If you want proof on this then how about this to chew on: Scientists conducted an experiemnt in New Mexico with deer. They took all the predators off the land, made it suitable for the deer and released about 500-700 deer on the land. About seven years later, there were nearly 100,000 deer on the land. A drought comes. About 95% of the deer die off painfully. That is what is going to happen. It is the only reason why we have deer hunting season, to control the deer herds because there are not enough predators or natural disasters to curve their growth.
  
  Demonic Paganism? What? Where do your think most of the Christmas items came from? Trees, garlands, mistletoe, poinsettas, that's all Pagan. It's like claiming that the Jews deserved being exterminated during the Holocaust. Ignorance here. Paganism is a more natural religion that believes that everything has a purpose and lives. It does not involve horses being slaughtered. Those are two different things entirely. Besides, the English in the early centuries lived on their horses. Knights needed good horsemanship to do anything. They would never kill a horse unless it was crippled or mortally wounded. Besides, what the heck is America going to do with an overrun or horses? It's better to actually do something with them than to just destroy them. Even animals do not waste others. Why should we? Start buying about 70% of the Thoroughbreds that do not make it to the racing circuit that are sold for meat. That's one way to help but it's a very big stretch as there's not a lot of room left in the country for them to live on. People protest the wearing or leather but what are we supposed to do with all of the leather we get from cows? It's a waste if we don't use it. We at least use everything that can be used instead of wasting perfectly good material.
  
  Technically, Buddha isn't a god. He's just a person who managed to reach a "paradise." Anyways, if they were being punished and if they were Hinduists, they'd just be reborn as a lower life force (like a dog or a bug). Oh the irony.

  By  RJ, at 8:20 PM, December 22, 2005  

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• Maaaaaan ...yall makin America sound pathetic...
  
  
  Yall talkin like we depend on that country for our future....America could go into isolation if it wanted too...Chinas exports has more then enough potential to be cut off.
  
  YeAH, it would change shit up economically, but America could do it and still be thorough.
  
  
  And death to Chinese citizens...I'm going to go stickup a chinese immigrant wearin some fur...And yo, J Lo is a target ...Fuck her.

  By  Anonymous, at 11:17 AM, January 13, 2006  

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• This is absurd that Peta is being compared to Chinese Fur Trade, this dogs and cats are being skinned alive, subjected to a cruel death. I am talking to this and handing out pamphlets to make people aware, they are tons of people who are not aware of what if going on, everytime I turn around I see some teenager wearing fur trim on their hoods of their jackets, most likely dog fur.
  Dogs and Cats are our pets, We don't have cattle for pets, I don't eat meat anyway or wear leather goods because of how these animals are slaughtered. Steve, if you watched the peta video clips, you will see a pile of dog carcass, these dogs are not being eaten, they are being skinned for there fur. I hope that everyone who has sent their comment is doing there part to spread the word and literature to spread the word in the US. There is just no way to justify these horrible deaths at the hand of the chinese.
  We need to get the word out and make sure that demand for fur decreases to make it a dying industry, the only thing that really needs to die.

  By  NoraQ, at 9:30 AM, January 23, 2006  

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• Cows and other animals are actually killed humanely in the U.S. Do you get your facts from PETA because they are missing several vital points. For example, cows and sheep are brain dead before anything is done to them. The chance of one not being brain dead before they are bled is about 1 in three million. They are then bled while upside down. This takes two minutes, four tops. By then, there is no chance the animal is alive before they skin it. The entire operation takes maybe 1 hour at most. Chickens as well. PETA claims that they are boiled alive. Yeah right. They do not boil the chicken alive as they would get sued. The animal is bled before it reaches the boiler (which is used to get feathers off the carcass). It's kind of hard to be alive when you have no blood.
  
  I disagree with the fur trade if the animal is killed inhumanely or only killed for the fur. I do not wear fur or even faux fur. Lots of people chose faux fur because it is easier to take care of and doesn't get strange organisms or goop all over it. But I do disagree with the waste of thousands of pounds of leather per year if people refuse to buy it because of false facts. I disagree with the Chinese in skinning animals alive and wished it was stopped. But how do we know it's not just one factory out of hundreds? PETA has been known to skew its facts around to get people to see it their way. I mean, they are turning children against their own parents now with those creepy comic books that claim that "Daddy's a fish murderer" and "mommy's a chicken killer." Who would do this to children? Yes, it's fine to get your views across. But not in the way that it will damage a child's trust in their parents and their psyche.
  
  Yes, PETA represents a good idea. But it needs to get its facts straight first. It needs to add all of the facts that slaughterhouses have and not just the ones that represent their view. It's a half truth, not unlike many governments. People need to research to make sure that they are saying the truth and not little half truths sprinkled around.

  By  RJ, at 4:59 PM, January 23, 2006  

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• the fur farms must stop and thats all there is to it.
  
  torture is out of the question, if you cant see that, your an idiot.

  By  adam, at 8:32 PM, February 05, 2006  

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• I mean the Raccoon in the VIDEO was STILL alive when the FUR was gone! You could see how hurt it was, the pain it felt! I mean i CRIED for hours! I cant believe how humans can do this to a animal when it is ALIVE. It´s SICK and DISCUSTING! If i wasent single mother i would volunteer to HELP animals that suffers this! Rescue them! I am soo upset right now! I dreamt nightmares this night and it was horrible! Kill those CHINESE bastards! Lets pull their scins of when they are alive, let them FEEL the pain!

  By  RescueRaccoons, at 12:01 AM, February 08, 2006  

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• I mean the Raccoon in the VIDEO was STILL alive when the FUR was gone! You could see how hurt it was, the pain it felt! I mean i CRIED for hours! I cant believe how humans can do this to a animal when it is ALIVE. It´s SICK and DISCUSTING! If i wasent single mother i would volunteer to HELP animals that suffers this! Rescue them! I am soo upset right now! I dreamt nightmares this night and it was horrible! Kill those CHINESE bastards! Lets pull their scins of when they are alive, let them FEEL the pain!

  By  RescueRaccoons, at 12:01 AM, February 08, 2006  

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• This is why I hate PETA. They've manage to convince dozens upon hundreds of people to love the suffering of an entire race of people. You know what, some of these innocent people don't even support this slaughter. But they're Chinese so we should enjoy the fact that they all should suffer and die for the sins of a few.
  
  You people are no better than the politicians who make up breed-ban laws. Which PETA loves and would like in place everywhere. So you know what? You'd save that cute little puppy in China only to find out you can't save another. Well thanks, PETA. Thanks for making those dogs live heck while you enact and support breed-ban laws to erradicate all domestic forms of life.
  
  You know what's even worse? Going from one extreme to another never works. Why do you think dictatorships fall apart after a while? Sometimes, not even the people have rights in China. Do you really think the politicians there are going to allow animals rights before their people even have them? No. It's stupid. This is the logic of rights: nobility to the working class to everyone and then to animals. If you want to do a darned thing, start supporting human rights in China. Then, you'd get somewhere. Not this banning Chinese products from America, not enjoying their suffering. Stand up for the people before you do anything for the animals. It might seem harsh but if you want to do anything to help these animals, get human rights first. Progression works, extremes don't.

  By  RJ, at 6:58 PM, March 01, 2006  

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• well its probably too late to post a comment here but I just had to say, what a load of rubbish! PETA make a huge effort to home all their rescued dogs and cats, but would prefer not to settle for second best homes, where they will only be mistreated again sometimes. As to the dogs and cats, do americans skin their animals alive (as the pain is supposed to produce a tastier meat) like the Chinese? And the panda? Course they love it, they have to, as it is a global symbol on how humans have mucked up this world and destroyed other species habitats bringing them to the brink of extinction. to ignore the Panda, would be extremely detrimental to Chinese international politics. Dont get me wrong im sure many millions of chinese care for animals, but their animal welfare policies are way behind the rest of the world, and we all need to wake up to that, and help do something about it.

  By  Anonymous, at 4:29 AM, April 04, 2006  

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• People in China do not need to treat animals in the manner in which they are being treated, it is sick. They are sick disgusting people...

  By  Anonymous, at 8:08 PM, April 05, 2006  

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• Do your research, people. PETA has been caught fabricating shocker videos before. What convinces you that this is not just another of their own inhumanely produced bits of propaganda "for the greater good" - which is to be expected from people who think it is just fine to sacrifice a few innocents, for the "good" of "everyone" (but what that "good" is, of course, THEY get to decide for you).

  By  green, at 7:19 PM, April 07, 2006  

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• If you have any at all doubts about the veracity of PETA's video, look at the independent information on The Humane Society of the U.S.'s website, as well as that for Animals Asia Foundation. Parenthetically, there is a bill in the House of Representatives (H.R. 4904) which would close the loophole which permits the mislabeling of dog and cat fur in the U.S...please go to the HSUS website and send an email to your Representative!

  By  Anonymous, at 10:06 AM, April 11, 2006  

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• Some animals killed in the Chinese fur trade were once loving companions. Millions of dogs and cats—some still wearing collars—are transported without food, shelter, or water, shoved into tiny metal crates, and stacked on trucks—as many as 8,000 animals to a truck. When they arrive for slaughter, workers toss the crates of crying, terrified, and dying animals to the ground, a drop from as high as 10 feet that causes the animals’ limbs to shatter as they crash to the ground. After they are killed and skinned, their fur is often deliberately mislabeled as fur from other species and exported to other countries.The killing of any animal for its fur is wrong and this is pure evil.

  By  M Wood, at 4:50 PM, April 19, 2006  

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• A lot of you are missing the real issue: the torture and slaughter of dogs and cats for their fur and meat. Don't blame PETA for its imperfections. Blame China for tolerating this horrible practice!

  By  rafa, at 5:00 AM, April 26, 2006  

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• The best way to stop this brutal torturing of animals is to boycott goods that are sold by that country. Its money after all that is creating this cruel massacre of innocent animals.
  
  People should boycott the Olympics in China , boycott all Chinese goods, stop eating their food and cut out the need for this horrific buisiness.
  
  Yes animals are killed for food all around the world but the death is instant , they unaware and previous to this they are kept in good conditions ( in most cases ).
  However the TV footage from China is absoulutly evil. Men stood laughing at a puppy , crying for its life , bleeding to death knowing there is no help and wondering what is next. This animals are suffering pure terror. The pain of being skinned alive is unthinkable and to actually be stood there waiting for your turn and hearing the scream of other animals , well it does not compare.
  
  People have to boycott anything Chinese. China is a rich country and has been bulldozing all the poor peoples homes , to make luxury apartment blocks. Their people are suffering ( the poor ones) and their Government does not listen to them. So to beat this evil countries, organisations, people , celebraties , athletes need to do their bit and boycott the country,its goods,Olympics , Soccer events, golf, tennis, motor racing. Don't let the country join in anything. If China are represented in any event , TV etc don't watch or don't attend.
  
  It has got to be extreme to beat this and get it stopped.

  By  Anonymous, at 4:08 PM, April 30, 2006  

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• Yes, this is a hideous act. Yes it should be stopped. But boycotting China is not the way to go.
  
  The U.S. cannot support itself. Nearly 80% of all products sold in the U.S. are from countries that may practice this act. If we boycott all of these products, we are going to hurt more than China.
  
  People don't make a lot of money today. If we boycott all clothes made in China, the few clothes made from other countries will be almost quadrapuled in price. Maybe more. Several smaller companies go bankrupt and can't find anything to support them, pushing small businesses out of the way for larger corporations, destroying competition all together.
  
  I'm pretty sure the computer you're typing replies on was made or assembled in China. iPods are made in China. Most electronic items are made in China. The toys kids play with are made in China. Companies go bankrupt or scramble to find somewhere to move to and the American-made companies can jack their prices sky high because the government doesn't control prices. A regular computer could cost anywhere from $10,000 to $20,000 if we boycott. A pair of Nike shoes almost triples in price to around $300.
  
  The best part is? People won't be paid enough to go along with the jacked up prices. People on minimum wage go bankrupt and become poorer than they should be.
  
  Do people not understand that human rights must come first if animals can make any leeway? Humans received rights before animals in every country. China needs to get its human rights straight. You need to support human rights first before you concentrate on the animals. It sounds harsh but once people see that they don't need to take their pains out on animals, they will be able to get better jobs and be heard more. So please, support human rights in China.

  By  RJ, at 4:09 PM, May 04, 2006  

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• Have a look at these two sickening videos and judge for yourself the treatment of animals in china....
  
  www.fundforanimals.org/furtrim/tanuki.html
  
  http://furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/

  By  Stacey, at 10:37 AM, June 02, 2006  

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• In america, you may eat cattle and you compare it to eating dogs, but the way that you kill your cattle is painless and it takes less than a millisecond for them to die, whereas in china, they skin the dohs ad cats alive leaving them to suffer. that is completely different and i don't think the two can be compared.

  By  Alex, at 6:17 PM, June 19, 2006  

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• FUCK YOU SCUMBAG, don't make excuses for inhumanity!!! The chinese would gladly skin a panda if it was defenseless and they had access to it.

  By  NIck C, at 1:21 PM, August 15, 2006  

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• They intentionally make them suffer. they say it makes the meat more tender by making them die an excrutiating death, at least in the US it's painless and the animals are raised for that specific reason, most of these animals in china are peoples pets.

  By  NIck C, at 1:23 PM, August 15, 2006  

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• Too Many Bad Things
  
  
  There are just too many BAD
  things happening to the people
  and animals in our world.
  These things happen right
  in our backyards and homes,
  in our streets and neighborhood,
  in our city and our state.
  They happen all over the country
  and all over the world.
  It happens to our children, adults,
  senior citizens.It happens to everyone.
  It happens to the disabled, the handicapped.
  It doesn't matter what color you are, what
  race you are, your nationality or religion,
  it happens. It even happens to the ANIMALS
  of our world. Weather it be a Dog or Cat,
  Horses or Cows, Foxes.
  The list can go on but you get the picture.
  The torture, deaths, cruelty, inhumane acts
  to the people and animals in our world that
  GOD created is an atrocity.
  NO one person can stop this, but we
  shouldn't close our eyes to it either
  no matter who or what it is happening to.
  these atrocity's happen to innocent people
  and animals, weather it's an act
  of war, terrorism, culture, money,
  motivated or just SICK DEMENTED PEOPLE!
  It 's our duty as GOD's children
  to try and stop this. To try and put a end
  to this unnecessary torture,
  deaths, cruelty, slaughter and inhumane
  acts to the people and animals of our world.
  Voice your disapproval of this write letters,
  send e-mails, peacefully protest against these
  acts. Let your voice be heard!!!!
  Our children tell us of these
  things as well as our parents, brothers,
  sisters, friends, strangers..
  Some how some way they tell us
  what is happening to them.
  Sometimes we can stop it,
  sometimes we can't..
  But they tell us and we try..
  
  
  
  Animals have no voice "WE"
  have to speak for them..
  They CAN'T tell us that they
  are BEATEN within an inch of
  their lives with BATS, POLES,
  CLUBS and BARS and then stripped
  of their fur and skinned alive,then
  thrown on top of a heaping pile of
  half dead animals all so you can have
  a FUR COAT and a POCKETBOOK.
  Nor can they tell us that they are
  ELECTROCUTED up the rectum so not to
  mark up the fur or skin.. sometimes
  killing them, sometimes not and then hung
  up and have their fur and skin ripped from
  their body just to have a fur coat and pocketbook!
  
  
  WE HAVE TO HELP THE ANIMALS
  BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES.
  They have no voice. Let us be their
  voice ACT NOW!

  By  Anonymous, at 5:30 PM, September 16, 2006  

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• THE DOGS SLAUGHTERED in China are mostly German shepherds
  whose gray or yellow fur is considered desirable for coats and trim.
  Gray is considered the better fur and is priced a bit higher than the yellow.
  Investigators were told that the gray fur of German shepherds is sometimes
  labeled fox or Asiatic raccoon or one of many other pseudonyms. As trim, the
  fur bears a striking resemblance to that of coyote, raccoon, or other species
  commonly exploited for use as trim.

  By  Anonymous, at 5:35 PM, September 16, 2006  

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• Dogs are sold for U.S. 27 cents each and slaughtered in China and other Asian countries.. Their throats are slit, and the conscious dogs bleed to death. Their skins are turned into wallets, handbags, and golf gloves, often labeled “cow skin.”

  By  Anonymous, at 5:36 PM, September 16, 2006  

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• BEWARE OF FUR TRIM...
  
  An added danger is that consumers are being fooled into believing that the fur trim on budget fashion items is fake rather than genuine. The likelihood is that it will be cat or dog because it's cheaper to use. Also, fox fur has become so cheap that it has replaced the artificial article. Most of the fur from foxes on fur farms is not used as coats but as fur trim. This indicates partly how the fur trade has managed to survive the dramatic drop in sales of fur coats, many people are not aware that the fur collar or glove linings are made of real fur which is obtained through the same atrocious process as fur coats. Unless absolutely sure its synthetic don't buy .
  
  Identification can be made even more difficult once the fur is dyed and/or trimmed, making it literally undistinguishable from other furs such as mink, rabbit or fox, the fur on gloves or hoods, etc. is often not made from a single piece of fur but could contain fur from a number of animals also making it very difficult to identify.
  
  The fur trimmed parka's were bought in Italy, DNA tests of the fur trim tested positive as dog fur.

  By  Anonymous, at 5:38 PM, September 16, 2006  

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• Every year in China, millions of cats and dogs are killed for their fur—mostly in the form of cuffs, collars, and other trim. The fur is often mislabeled and sold in Europe and the United States, even though it is illegal in the U.S. The cat and dog fur industry is driven by the demand for all fur items. Every cuff and collar means a death sentence for an animal. Want to help make sure that no cats and dogs are killed for their fur? Don’t buy any fur.

  By  Anonymous, at 5:40 PM, September 16, 2006  

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• SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!
  THESE POOR DOGS and CATS
  ARE BEING SKINNED AND THEN
  THROWN FROM A BUS,AND INTO BOILING
  WATER ALIVE!! SOME OF THEM ARE PREGNANT,
  SOME OF THEM ARE PUPPIES, KITTENS,
  GOD HELP THEM!!!
  AFTER WHAT I'VE READ AND SAW THEY
  ARE ALL IN HELL OVER THERE!
  BOILED, SKINNED ALIVE!!! WTF!
  All of this is SICK!! HELP THEM!!!!!!!

  By  Anonymous, at 5:43 PM, September 16, 2006  

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• If you think this is a waste
  of your time or you
  think that it really doesn't happen like this. Think again..
  Just click on these links and see for your self if they dont work copy and paste
  
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4476664.stm
  
  then go to BBC NEWS:VIDEO AND AUDIO
  
  Its not only PETA EVERYONE WANTS THIS STOPPED!!! the poor animals are in HELL OVER THERE IT IS ALL A SIN!!! AND IT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED!
  
  PETA ARE GOOD PEOPLE SHOWING THE WORLD WHAT IS REALLY OUT THERE
  STOP PUTTING DOWN PEOPLE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS! HELP try to put a end to this unnecessary torture, deaths, cruelty, slaughter and inhumane
  acts to the animals of our world.

  By  Anonymous, at 6:26 PM, September 16, 2006  

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• What I want to know is....why can't animal rights people spell? Has anyone done a study on how being a self righteous zealot affects spelling and comprehension?
  
  I mean, I've eaten dog and it doesn't taste very good. So I don't eat it. So far, this hasn't impacted my verbal or cognitive abilities.

  By  Anonymous, at 4:16 PM, September 26, 2006  

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• Why did God make dogs? I don’t think it was accidental. Certainly there are exceptions, and certainly people can breed dogs to bring out the worst in them, but in general there is nothing more selfless, loving or patient than a dog. Mistreat it and it comes back to you anyway. Ignore it and it never gives up hope that you will be its friend again. Make it wait days to go play and it will be ready. It offers you friendship and companionship and in return asks only for food, water and an occasional scratch behind the ears.
  
  Why would God bother to make such a creature? I suppose that if dogs were like people they would eventually give up on us… but they never do. A dog’s love is almost impossible to destroy, because it’s not a love you earn it’s simply a love you are given. In other words, dogs love unconditionally. Unconditionallove, unending patience, with faithfulness to the very end.
  
  Do you suppose, just perhaps, that God made dogs to show us a little something about Himself? Do you think maybe “man’s best friend” is really pointing us to the One who is truly our very best friend?
  
  You could learn a lot from a dog. Dog spelled backward is “God.”

  By  Anonymous, at 3:47 PM, October 07, 2006  

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• DOG IS GOD
  SPELLED BACKWARDS
  (FOR A GOOD REASON)
  They are heavenly creatures ! !
  What is man without the beasts?
  If all the beasts were gone,
  men would die from great loneliness
  of spirit. For whatever happens
  to the beasts, soon happens to man.
  All things are connected.

  By  Anonymous, at 3:56 PM, October 07, 2006  

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• People who eat Dog or Cat are eating their best friend.

  By  Anonymous, at 3:01 PM, October 08, 2006  

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• sign the petition
  
  http://www.furkills.org/dog_fur_horror.shtml

  By  Anonymous, at 10:49 AM, November 04, 2006  

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• It is wrong to torture and kill ANY animal- from pandas, to dogs, to cows. This world is SICK. People should be vegetarians, animal population should be stabilized and controlled. I mean, to skin a dog or electrocute a cow is disgusting! We as humans are devils!

  By  Anonymous, at 8:36 AM, November 08, 2006  

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• Amy. i beleave that its not fair for dogs and cats to be skinned ALIVE for there far is out of order and i think that i should be stopped as we would not like our own dogs and cats being skinned alive for there far just to be put on toys and clothes.i love animals and i wont to be a vegetarian but i cant or i will be on tables becuse i dont have alot of iron in my blood!! Also i wish i could help stop people from skining dogs and cats but i cant do much as im only 14 yars old that trys her best by helping animals in anyway i can !!!!

  By  amylovesanimals4ever, at 7:43 AM, November 18, 2006  

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• I understand the different values in China and know it is impossible to change them, but in the United States or China, skinning animals alive...i just cant belive there are people out there who are able to commit a painful process on an alive animal. However, i do feel that dogs and cats are more meaningful then some other animals. For one thing, dogs are consider to be a man's best friend. They are smart animals who help the blind, the police and help rescue other humans. I have never heard of a cow or a panda (in china's case) who have done as much as dogs have. I would love to see the fur industry in China completely collapse, but that is not going to happen anytime soon. They can at least make the skinning process not as painful for the animals or treat them abusively. Again the meaning of dogs and cats in china is not the same as the US, but how they are doing it is wrong. I dont know what people are doing to stop animal brutality, i know some become vegetarians and dont buy fur. But I dont understnad how this is truly making a difference. The animals are still going to be treated abusively and will still be skinned alive even, while there are still buyers. Realistically, there will always be buyers. Yes, you will get your voice heard to an extent, but the animal is already dead, might as well use it then let it go to waste. It will be impossible to stop the chinese from skining dogs and cats, but there is something that they can do to minimize the pain. That is the least that the animals deserve and it is not going to be changed by not eating meat or buying fur.

  By  Anonymous, at 12:33 PM, December 06, 2006  

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• I would rather have somebody slit my throat so I die in a few seconds, like the cattle, then have em' hit me in the head before they skin me, like they do in China. Big difference between PETA and the fur traders.

  By  Anonymous, at 10:50 PM, January 19, 2007  

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• YOU NEED TO STOP HATING ON PETA BECAUSE THEY ARE HELPING PREVENT ANIMAL ABUSE AND PROTECTING RIGHTS OF ANIMALS.
  
  
  THEY DO NOT KILL THEM.
  
  THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EUTHANIZING AND TORCHERING.

  By  Anonymous, at 1:42 PM, January 31, 2007  

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• Demonic Paganism? Hello, vegetarian wiccan here letting you know that religion isn't even the issue here! The unjust deaths of those animals is what we should be focusing on. I applaud all of the people who are willing to do something, no matter how impossible it seems. Don't assume that we are all alike because of the way we worship, I would never dream of eating a horse, and I am certainly not demonic!

  By  Holly, at 6:49 PM, February 27, 2007  

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• 1.3 billion chinese why dont they eat each other

  By  Anonymous, at 7:52 PM, November 22, 2007  

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• Stop this barberic, insane, inhuman torture to animals. Live and let live. Please somebody stand up and take action against such people. By killing animals, nature...we are digging our own grave. Our ecosystem will be devastated and soon humans will die a worst deatn IF WE DO NOT STOP KILLING ANIMALS AND DAMAGING THE ECOSYSTEM. PLease SAVE THIS PLANET AND ITS POOR ANIMALS

  By  prerna, at 9:38 PM, February 21, 2008  

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• If the chinese want to be considered part of the civilized world they are going to have to become civilized.We are not much better than them if you were to ask a cow ,pig or chicken .But if you were to as a dog or cat they might think differently.We are all monsters members of an animal race that does things to other living creatures that no other animal does.We call ourseleves the children of GOD.The one most of us in america europe call the son of GOD caled himself the good shepard.Are any of us realy good shepards of the poor amimals we have domesticated .that look to us for love and protection.No we we use @ abusethem from their birth thru there miserable lives that we see to thru their agonizing deaths.We who eat their flesh where the skin riped from their dieing bodies we are all guilty.The chinese @korans @the other GODLESS nations are in many ways souless their minds are dim to the suffering of other living things.This holds true in how they treat each other.We should be better than them at this point in our emergance from brutality.Start by leaving the disconect we have with all other living things.When you eat meat or wear fur or skin realize that the flesh is from that of anoter living being .a living creature that came into life raised in concentration camp like conditions @ slaughterd in ways you would not want to witness Once we cn reconnect with all other living creatures @ admit to ourselves that they think ,feel pain,know fear know joy,want to live just as we want to live.When we know this @ act on it we will then truly be human beings .We will never truly be human until we are humane.

  By  Anonymous, at 12:46 PM, February 24, 2008  

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• For all the pricks saying "What makes us better than the Chinese?" and so on:
  
  In a "civilised" country people do not skin animals alive. They do not watch them in pain suffering. Most white slaughter houses, and I am not saying all but most, would kill the animal first. What is so hard about that?
  
  The Chinese need to be skinned alive, it is the only way they will learn. They're subhuman and need to be taught a lesson.

  By  Anonymous, at 12:56 AM, February 25, 2008  

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• Please people...forget religion, forget cultures and the countries we come from. All animals are god's, Allah's, whatever's creations and we are ignorant if we think we are more important than another being...including the domestic pet or farm animal. Please do not buy or trade in animal trades whether it be medicine, cruelty or the fashion trade. I have recently started volunteering for a local animal shelter and the things people do out of fun or misinformed religious beliefs are profoundly cruel and inhumane...please just think of mad cow disease, bird flu, rabies...when will we ever learn. The answer the these diseases is sterilization, not euthanisia. You can kill millions of animals but as long as two of them are breeding, the problem will exist. Please sterilize and vaccinate your pets. People can be so misinformed and take drastic action... just search for the incident where 50,000 dogs where beaten to death in China over 5 days in 2005 because a few people got bitten and developed rabies. Pets were grabbed from their owners and beaten to death for a few cents per dog. Animals are not in control of themselves, we are, so it is our job, no matter what your home town or religion, to safeguard these animals. Forget who is to blame - just do something to help the animals. you wouldn't be on this site if you didn't care....right?

  By  Anonymous, at 8:08 AM, March 20, 2008  

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• How ignorant to say there is a "bigger picture" here. There is no bigger picture than animal cruelty. Nobody can justify the way these creatures are being treated. Huddled into cages, skinned alive. I dont agre with eating any meat or using the skin of any animal either. PETA is forced to put these por animals down because people are to stupid, selfish & lazy to have their animals desexed. So lets stop playing the blame game on organisations that are trying to make a difference and start taking some fucking responsibility for our own actions. It is not ok to skin an animal alive. It is not ok to pass of real dog fur as "faux fur". It is not ok to cram these animals into cages for their short existence and treat them like shit. If you think this is ok and justifiable because they are then eating the dog that they have cruelly slaughtered or that the majority of the whales harpooned in the ocean is then turned into dog meat, or that people "need to eat meat" then you are only justifying the rest of the worlds thought; that Americans are a stupid and greedy nation. Wake up people.

  By  Anonymous, at 12:46 AM, April 18, 2008  

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